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January 06, 2005

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At what point does Congress have to pass new legislation, as opposed to pointing at existing legislation? At a certain point, given a disingenuous or incompetent executive interpretation, would Congress be obliged to pass a bill which reiterates a prior law but tacks on the clause, "And we really mean it this time", before it has the "moral standing" to challenge what it sees as violations of the existing law?

Is it not reasonable for a Congress which sees its legislation as sufficient to respond to what it sees as an executive official's duplicity or incompetence by directly questioning him about that duplicity or incompetence?

I do not think it is fair to place the blame for the torture issue back on Congress (God knows, that institution has enough real sins to worry about). First of all, it is unrealistic to expect a Republican-controlled Congress to pass a bill directly challenging a Republican President's position regarding torture and the applicability of the Geneva Convention. After all, the current crop of Republican leadership places a high premimum on "team play."

Also, I agree with Aaron that existing laws are sufficiently clear in prohibiting the torture. The problem is the President, who, with Judge Gonzales' help, was looking for a way around those laws.

Wrong.

Congress gets paid to make the laws the Executive branch enforces - let's not put the cart before the horse. Congress (the Senate, specifically) refused to implement the prohibition of the 1994 International Torture Convention against "cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment" -- because it was thought to be "vague and undefined"... hmmm.... Well, why didn't they do their job and define it for DOD then???

I'll tell you why. So 'hats like Ted Kennedy could prance in front of the TV cameras and make moronic statements like "I can't define torture, but I know it when I see it".

Any administration charged with protecting the American people is going to explore the limits of what is permissible in interrogating prisoners - if they don't, they're not doing their job. (Note, I didn't say they had to actually do those things to prisoners, but if they don't draft memos defining the boundaries, they're not doing their jobs).

Snarkiness aside, memos aren't evidence of intent to torture.

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