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December 06, 2005

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I agree completely that the standards should be high (though I'm not sure the California bar exam as it exists now is the best way to set a standard.)

However, I have to disagree strongly with this:

"I cannot recall the last time I saw an effective law professor in a courtroom. Sort of reminds me of the old saw: Those who can't do, teach.

Many law schools these days have strong clinical programs. Some of my favorite professors ran the death penalty clinic at my law school; I don't believe I ever met lawyers who were so dedicated to their clients.

The school also has a human rights law clinic and a community law clinic, among others, all run by extremely talented and hard-working lawyers.

"I cannot recall the last time I saw an effective law professor in a courtroom. Sort of reminds me of the old saw: Those who can't do, teach.

Eh, not sure I agree with this. There a few professors who are also very effective Supreme Court advocates - Larry Tribe and Charles Fried come to mind. Now you might say those aren't "real lawyers." I'd have to disagree.

While it's almost certainly true that Tribe couldn't try a case, it is also absolutely true that most trial lawyers perform poorly when arguing before the Supreme Court; indeed, most trial lawyers can't write effective appellate briefs. It's hardly an indictment on trial lawyers to say such most: many lawyers brag that they can't write well.

There are different kind of lawyers - each suited for different aspects of legal practice. But it's all law, and it's all lawyering - the only thing that differs if the forum.

Mahan: For what it is worth, academics don't consider clinical professors to be "real" full-blooded law professors. The clinical professors are a notch below.

Sullivan. Perhaps I am too defensive about being a small-time lawyer with no prospects of advancement to far-flung courts or fancy academic posts.

Spare us the hard-luck story. You know you could have been a professor if you had wanted to. You're no victim of chance. Just admit it: You like it when the high mighty are taken down a bit.

By the way, the Dershowitz letter was really funny. Some law student reader should dig it up on Lexis-Nexis' news archive. I think he wrote something like this: "My book was great. The only reason this Norm Pattis guy did not like it was because of professional jealously. After all, it was great. Only someone jealous of me would not like it." He probably called you an anti-Semite, too.

This morning as I was walking down the street near the courthouse Norm is trying his gang rape case in, a big black limo pulls up at 9:15 a.m. and a guy gets out of the back seat. He had a long pony-tail and was wearing sandals. He entered the courthouse.

Norm, tell me that person who looked very similar to you, was not really you.

Nuge

Norm, does any bar exam actually test any knowledge that is used in the "actual practice" of law, or is it just as disconnected from practice as law profs are, but in the opposite direction?

I've passed 4 bar exams in various states, and have been practicing (intermittently) for 5 years. I can count on my fingers the number of times I've used anything that I learned from the bar exam. Those tidbits that I did use were, invariably, pieces of civil procedure.

The bar exam requires a little bit of everything. A little bit of wills, a little bit of civil procedure, a little bit of property...

Nobody practices a little bit of everything. The little bit of everything bears no relationship to competence. And lets not forget the total NonLaw of the MBE. (What if Sullivan simply failed the criminal section of the MBE?)

I agree with Paul. The bar exam is a worthless cartelization device and a deadweight loss to society.

Jim:

I wasn't wearing sandals today.

Mike:

I do enjoy seeing icons stumble.

Everyone else:

Thanks for reading.

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